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What is wrong with the Episcopal Church?

What is wrong with the Episcopal Church?

What is wrong with The Episcopal Church?

This is not a rhetorical question. Conversations about how to “fix” the church are raging all over the place. But it isn’t clear that we agree on what is wrong with it. One can even argue that nothing is wrong, and the decline in church membership is symptomatic of cultural forces beyond our control. What is your diagnosis?


My sense is that we have are not doing a good enough job in congregational development and evangelism to attract and inspire people. I am aware that there are any number of presuppositions and begged questions in that brief statement, but I toss it out just to get the ball rolling.

I think this is an important conversation to have, because if we can’t agree on a diagnosis, we certainly won’t agree on a prescription.

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Gary Paul Gilbert

Daniel Schultz's analysis, I agree, is disappointing, especially what he says about Prayer Books.

UCC I admire for many things, such as its commitment to social justice and its polity. But it too is losing members.

I suspect that simplifying worship will only lose more people.

Gary Paul Gilbert

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Bill Dilworth

I thought Daniel Schultz's comments were arrogant and condescending, and didn't offer much in the way of new insights. So a member of the UCC doesn't like the episcopate or liturgical worship? Gee, who could have seen THAT coming?

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barbara snyder

(I wanted to add that I very much like Richard Helmer's comment above - especially the idea that there's no "one-size-fits-all" and that many things have to be worked out locally, and on the basis of what's actually happening on the ground. That's important to keep in mind, I think - although it's difficult to do that, when trying to take a "big picture" view.

I don't think there's anything wrong, though, with self-examination - but that can and should include "assets as well as liabilities." AA says, in its 10th, "continuing to take personal inventory," Step, that it's good to remember "that inventory-taking is not always done in red ink. It's a poor day indeed when we haven't done something right.")

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barbara snyder

I read the Daniel Schultz post, too - and honestly, I'm at a loss to understand what's "stuffy" or "pretentious" about, say, a Rite II Eucharist.

That service is - by design, I believe - just about the same in every respect as the modern Roman Catholic mass - and I'm fairly sure nobody would ever call it "stuffy" or "pretentious."

(And actually, this seems a very good thing, to me, given the number of ex-Catholics who've joined the Episcopal Church....)

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E B

Love Daniel's comments, but as someone who attends an Anglo-Catholic parish, I'd add that folks should look past the BSTs (bright shiny things) before deciding if an Anglo-Catholic parish is right for them.

Folks at my church are wonderful, as has been the case in every "smells and bells" place I've visited. Yes, there's often Brie at our coffee hour (and always sherry), but you'd never meet a more down to earth, approachable, generous, compassionate, or faithful group.

Eric Bonetti

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