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Holy Apostles Church in New York City has made an excellent contribution to the It Gets Better series.

Parishioner Donna Lamb has written a story about social networking at Holy Apostles on page 16 of the summer issue of Episcopal New Yorker.


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David Cornell

The problem is, Hank, that inherent in the “orthodox” view is precisely the basis for the very dehumanization and marginalization of LGBT people that is why the “It Gets Better” campaign is necessary in the first place.

Sorry to be have to be blunt about it, but that’s the truth. So your seeming call for equal time for “a different biblical view” in an “It Gets Better” video is rather like calling for an effort at building self-esteem among African-American youth to include “a different racial view” with the perspective that there’s something flawed about darker skin.

Argue the biblical points as much as you will, the fact of the matter is that there are dead bodies from the suicides of LGBT youth, and extreme pain and fear felt by bullied LGBT youth, and these are not abstract matters. And these realities have root causes, and one of them is the message sent by the traditional “orthodox” view, that we LGBTs are “intrinsically disordered,” that the characteristics that define us as LGBT are inherently sinful, etc.

“Love the sinner but hate the sin” as much as you may want, but our alleged “sin” is how we were created, so the distinction between who we are and what we do falls apart. Your “different biblical view,” and its ramifications for real people in the real world, is precisely why we have to send our LGBT kids the message that “It Gets Better” in the first place.

Kindly talk to bullied LGBT youth, or the surviving family and friends of LGBT youth suicides, and then tell us whether the message of LGBT impurity and inferiority that the “orthodox” view – even in its “milder” versons – sends society-wide is helpful or harmful to keeping LGBT kids alive.


A “different biblical view”, Hank? Does that mean a different interpretation of the SHARED Bible? Totally welcome! 🙂

Or do you mean “a different view” [which is THE] “biblical” “orthodox” one? Such privileging of a single opinion does rather cut off conversation at the table, wouldn’t you say?

[And “the other allows ‘freedom’ to trump love”: Say-Wha-Huh? O_o]

JC Fisher


Thanks be to God, it does get better!

Chas Marks

Perhaps before you make that judgement you should attend. I attend a parish very much like Holy Apostles and people who have a different biblical views are truly welcomed among us and are always welcome at the table – it’s God’s table after all – not ours. I had a true Eucharistic moment with one of these people this past Sunday when we exchanged the sign of peace and she came to my station for communion, which she has avoided doing in the past. Just because we believe differently on one issue – doesn’t mean we can’t worship together. How many “orthodox” parishes would welcome me as an out and married gay man?

Hank Wall

great video…but because it conveys only one point of view it is not a truly ‘inclusive’ perspective – when both orthodox and new views are allowed to speak out equally without fear, then we will have true inclusiveness- one side allows orthodoxy to trump love, and the other allows ‘freedom’ to trump love. I sincerely doubt someone who has a different biblical view is welcome at the table…

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