They said it



A quote tasting from the firehose of reactions to Rome’s announcement:

“The two questions I would want to ask are ‘why this and why now ,,,, Why the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has decided to embrace that particular method remains unclear to me. … If it’s for former Anglicans, then it’s not about our present difficulties, then it’s people who have already left. … [If it’s current Anglicans] there is in my mind an uncertainty for whom it is intended.” – The Very Rev. David Richardson, the Archbishop of Canterbury’s representative to the Holy See

“After the news that the Vatican is effectively carving out a special church-within-a-church to shelter traditionalist Anglicans upset at gay priests and women bishops in their own church, one has to wonder if the cafeteria line isn’t forming to the right. While both Pope John Paul II and his successor Benedict XVI have been known as staunch conservatives, they have in fact shown a remarkably liberal willingness to bend the rules when it comes to certain groups.” – David Gibson, author of “The Rule of Benedict: Pope Benedict XVI and His Battle with the Modern World”

“The auspices for the present Pope’s visit are now less good, and suddenly so owing to yesterday’s announcement. Pope Benedict may preside at the beatification service in Birmingham for Cardinal John Henry Newman, the Victorian divine, who is an important figure in the intellectual and cultural life of the nation as well as of the Church. As the most prominent of all converts to Rome, Newman advised Anglicans that their Church had “left the centre of unity in the 16th century”. Newman’s name is one that could be attached to the new ordinariate for Anglicans. Such disputation was the temper of his times. It should not be the tenor of ours. The Church of England’s witness to the life of the nation is a valued and historic civic resource. Its position has been dangerously weakened.” – Editorial in The Times

“I am sorry that there has been no opportunity to alert you earlier to this; I was informed of the planned announcement at a very late stage, and we await the text of the Apostolic Constitution itself and its code of practice in the coming weeks. … It remains to be seen what use will be made of this provision, since it is now up to those who have made requests to the Holy See to respond to the Apostolic Constitution; but, in the light of recent discussions with senior officials in the Vatican, I can say that this new possibility is in no sense at all intended to undermine existing relations between our two communions or to be an act of proselytism or aggression.” – Rowan Williams in a letter to the Bishops of the Church of England, and the members of the Primates Meeting of the Anglican Communion

“Vatican 2.0? In IT terms, that would be equivalent to Microsoft inviting Linux users to run the Windows kernel while retaining .debs & .rpms” – twitter by Asteris Masouras

“I don’t want to be a Roman Catholic. There was a Reformation, you remember.” – Martyn Minns

“Not all Anglo-Catholics can accept certain teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, nor do they believe that they must first convert to Rome in order to be truly catholic Christians.” – Jack Iker

“Anglican orders are not accepted by the Vatican. Anglican “priests” joining Anglican Personal Ordinariates in order to function as priests will have to be ordained twice (or at least conditionally ordained twice). … Married priests in Anglican Personal Ordinariates will have to marry prior to ordination to the diaconate. They will not be able to marry after ordination. Should his wife die, or he gets divorced (sorry – his marriage is annulled) he will not be able to marry. Roman Catholic deacons can be married, but in order to do so, must be married prior to ordination.” – The Rev. Bosco Peters

“Both Catholic and Anglican churches prefer that disaffected Anglican groups belong to the Catholic Church than float freely. Dr Williams, remember, has a fundamentally Catholic ecclesiology. … Rome has not “given up” on the Anglican Communion — even though it knows that unity is impossible at present. Rome has been closely involved, and remains so, with the “covenant” process initiated by Dr Williams in 2004, which aims at tightening the bonds within the 80m-strong worldwide Communion.” – Austen Ivereigh, former press secretary to the (Catholic) Archbishop of Westminster

“I worry, too, that some of these newcomers will also be nostalgists, anti-feminists, and anti-gay bigots.” – Michael Sean Winters, author of “Left at the Altar: How the Democrats Lost the Catholics and How the Catholics Can Save the Democrats.”

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6 Responses to "They said it"
  1. Ah, this is quite a good smattering of responses to this announcement - hard to make heads or tails of it ... but this is a helpful collage of the reactions so far...

    I've been to Rome a few times, a wonderful place to visit, but wouldn't want to live there (I prefer Florence), that is kinda my feeling about the RC church as well...

    In Christ,

    Peter M. Carey+

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  2. Ah, Michael Sean Winters, bane of my existence. He once warned the world to watch out for journalists bearing books. And now he has ended up a blogger. If you read the rest of his comment you will see that he would not have "advised" the people of New Hampshire to elect Gene Robinson as their bishop. What with him knowing their needs better than they do, and all.

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  3. Who cares? Who cares that Pope Benedict XVI has authorized some minor accommodations to ease the transition of Anglicans from Canterbury to Rome?

    First, the Pope’s gesture is less than generous. The issue is not and has not been whether Anglicans are Christian. Baptism with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit combined with faith (the baptized’s or the parent’s) is what makes one Christian, not the identity of the one administering the baptism. The Pope’s pronouncement does not address any of the substantive differences between the Roman Catholic Church and Anglicanism. In other words, the Pope’s move in no way advances any ecumenical agenda or process. Some will even argue the opposite, that the Pope’s move actually undercuts ecumenism.

    Second, the vast majority of people who will exit the Anglican tradition for the Roman Catholic Church in response to this announcement have already left Anglicanism in everything but name. For their sake, I’m pleased at the prospect of their finding a community that they believe will be more supportive of their faith journey. For my sake, I’m pleased at the prospect of unproductive controversy and dissent within Anglicanism diminishing. Gender and gender orientation no more determine a person’s vocation or calling to holy orders than do ethnicity or race. Jesus welcomed absolutely everybody and we rightly emulate him we practice a radical hospitality and inclusivity.

    The people who care little about the Pope’s pronouncement are the very people to whom Jesus ministered: the hungry, the sick, the imprisoned, and the marginalized. The religious establishments and their leaders of Jesus’ time largely rejected these people and cared little about their plight. Jesus was radical precisely because he loved the peasants, the unclean, and the aliens.

    Unfortunately, the plight of the hungry, the sick, the imprisoned and the marginalized is unlikely to change. New controversy will arise in England about ownership of Church property; existing controversies in the U.S. are likely to continue if not perhaps worsen. Instead of being about the business of being the Church, the body of Christ – his hands, feet and voice – too many Anglicans and Roman Catholics will focus on issues of structure, property, etc.

    In other words, the new policy of the Roman Catholic Church may ameliorate the status of dissenters and those perturbed by current conflicts, but in no way does the policy alter the basic religious landscape or improve the life for the least among us. I very much doubt that God greatly cares about what the Pope has done.

    George Clifford

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  4. I am rather astonished to find myself agreeing with Martyn Minns and Jack Iker about anything. They are right about this. There may be a grudging permission given to use a Vatican-edited version of the Prayer Book liturgy, but accepting this "offer" amounts to abandoning all else that is Anglican in exchange for conservative authoritarianism.

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  5. I can see one ray of hope... Seems to me that once RCC re-ordain married Anglican priests then the door has been opened for RCC priests to marry once again. I don't think RCC has thought it all the way through.

    If Anglicans wish to swim the Tiber, they will not find the grass over there as green as they think. Here in the WWAC, we think for ourselves. In RCC the thinking is done for one and one is told what to believe or else. That would be hard for Anglicans to adjust to, I think.

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  6. Now that the Pope welcomes unhappy Anglicans to the Roman Catholic Church - We Anglicans welcome those who are Roman Catholics who don't like the "phobias" and "isms" in their Church to come to our branch of the One Holy Catholic Church. The Episcopal Church Welcomes you! I think this is good evangelism for those of us who open our arms to all God's children.

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