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The lament of a pro-life lefty

The lament of a pro-life lefty

Writing in The New Statesman, Mehdi Hasan, political director of the Huffington Post, UK, says arguments against abortion can be rooted in reasoning that politically progressive people should find persuasive. He writes:

Abortion is one of those rare political issues on which left and right seem to have swapped ideologies: right-wingers talk of equality, human rights and “defending the innocent”, while left-wingers fetishise “choice”, selfishness and unbridled individualism.

“My body, my life, my choice.” Such rhetoric has always left me perplexed. Isn’t socialism about protecting the weak and vulnerable, giving a voice to the voiceless? Who is weaker or more vulnerable than the unborn child? Which member of our society needs a voice more than the mute baby in the womb?

Yes, a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body – but a baby isn’t part of her body. The 24-week-old foetus can’t be compared with an appendix, a kidney or a set of tonsils; it makes no sense to dismiss it as a “clump of cells” or a “blob of protoplasm”.

The United Kingdom is debating whether to reduce the point in a pregnancy before which a woman can have an abortion from 24 weeks to 12 weeks.

What do you think of his argument and the larger debate?

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Gary Paul Gilbert

Most opposition to abortion seems based on patriarchal religious doctrine. Religion does not belong in a discussion about the constitution.

Patriarchal religion is concerned about figuring out who the father is and must control women’s bodies. Matrilineal societies, on the other hand, may offer women more freedom and need not worry who the biological father is. In such cultures, the maternal uncle has a position of authority.

The father as such is cultural construct of patriarchy.

Gary Paul Gilbert

tgflux

“Q.E.D. Thank you.”

SRSLY, BillD!

I’m thinking of what our friend Doug Blanchard (aka Counterlight) says about Fred Phelps “Just keep talking; you’re helping our cause!” (Et tu, James M.)

JC Fisher

billydinpvd

“Speaking of sex, the reason people argue for abortion as a form of birth control has very much to do with it. They want all of the pleasure without the responsibility.”

Q.E.D. Thank you.

“Hitler had his philosophies when he masterminded the Holocaust.”

You trivialize the evil of the Holocaust by dragging it into the argument. (Where is Michael Godwin when you need him?)

“Abortion is murder”

Odd that the Bible doesn’t prescribe the death penalty for it, then.

Odd that common law historically prescribed no penalty for abortion prior to quickening.

Odd that even after quickening, English law never treated abortion as murder.

And I’m guessing that you, like most of the people who adopt this line, believe that it’s murder no matter what point in the pregnancy it’s done in, because “human life begins at conception.” Given the fact that most fertilized eggs do not implant, but pass out with the mentsrual flow, then it’s also odd that we don’t act as if women were losing babies every time an egg fails to implant.

Bill Dilworth

James M Mikolajczyk

I think everyone here knows well what I mean by “Perhaps, because the pro-life crowd does NOT actually murder anyone?” An honest person would know that 99% of people in the Pro-Life movement do not murder anyone and condemn those actions of a few idiots. However, everyone who aborts a child is a murderer, unless the procedure is needed to save a woman’s life.

Speaking of sex, the reason people argue for abortion as a form of birth control has very much to do with it. They want all of the pleasure without the responsibility.

In regard to abortion, there is no valid philosophizing. Hitler had his philosophies when he masterminded the Holocaust. Arguing that Pro-Life advocates are not educated about biology in order to dismiss their stance is like appealing to psychology to condone serial killing. In so many words, there is no “educated” opinion that justifies abortion or any other evil. Under this false argument, any degradation of humankind can be permitted so long as academia approves of it. Additionally, the Pro-Life movement has more women in it than men. Pro-Deathers always try to make it a sexist debate knowing full well that most of their opponents are female…another false argument.

Abortion is murder. “Holy martyrs for [unborn] women’s freedom, pray for us!”

tgflux

Perhaps, because the pro-life crowd does NOT actually murder anyone? *

Oh REALLY???

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before and was also bombed subsequently, in 1984 and 2012.

December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.

January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.

October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.[11]

[Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence ]

JC Fisher

* I’m going to ignore the inflammatory (!) assertion that abortion is “murder”.

Holy martyrs for women’s freedom, pray for us!

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