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Bishop Barbara Harris, whom we’ve been in touch with this evening has not visited San Francisco in several years. Pay a visit here to find out why that is relevant. There’s being wrong, and then there’s being recklessly and maliciously wrong. This is the latter. An apology will no doubt ensue. The question is whether reputable conservative thinkers will continue to associate themselves with this Web site.

Update. Sunday 4 Nov 07 10:30AM Eastern. The post is currently taken down. Here is a cache version. – JBC

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  1. Oy gevalt! I cannot believe it, especially the comments on that blog!

    Jay Vos

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  2. Stand Firm has removed the story. Conservative silliness is as silly as Liberal silliness. There was a slight resemblance between the parade picture and the picture of Bishop Harris in academic robes, but not close enough to make a mildly impartial observer think that the figure in the keffayif pattern stole was she.

    However, the support given by liberal Protestants to the Palestinian movement is a public relations triumph for the Arafat's PR director and for the journalism school of the University of Virginia where if I remember correctly, she studied.

    From 1945 until 1967 liberal American Protestants supported Israel, perhaps out of guilt for not doing more to protest the anti-immigration and anti-Semitic policies of the Roosevelt administration in the years before the war, perhaps from a laudable prejudice for the underdog. Then after the 1967 war when Israel became an occupying power with all the responsibilities of preserving order, and the Palestinians were unable to make peace, and particularly after 1973 when the Settlements in the West Bank and Gaza expanded, American liberal Protestantism, and many in the Episcopal Church, turned against Israel and some began to accept Palestinian propaganda as fact.

    Conservative Evangelicals have continued to support Israel, and many of those who sent notes to the Stand Firm website came from that group. Others just don't like Biahop Harris and much of anything the Episcopal Church has done in the past 35 years.

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  3. The Stand Frim web site removed the piece that mis-identified a woman wearing a kefayiff pattern stole. It now has a full and frank apology posted with, as of 1:50 EST Sunday afternoon, 51 comments.

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  4. Tom-

    You left out the word "illegal" in front of settlements and left out illegal occupation. You left out the massive and unequal violence met out by Israel on a mostly unarmed population, their illegal taxation of their subjugated clients and the fact that the Military of Israel has worked very hard to make sure that a separate Palestinian government would never take shape.

    All of this is even stipulated to by the Israeli government. Guilt over failing to prevent genocide dose not equate to turning a blind eye to the dehumanizing subjugation of the Palestinian people.

    The contempt and hostility to the Christians of Palestine by Israel is a cause of concern, unless you are willing to write them off for the neo-conservative political aims? I would also add that the public, unwavering and fervid equation of Christianity with Israel has hurt the Church in its homeland. If to be a Christian is to unquestioningly support the suppression of the rights of Palestinians and the violent rejection of the rule of law, then Islam is more attractive. Then again, I would think that many of those who so willingly support the destruction of the Church in the land of Christ and the Apostils see the Carmelite Nuns in Bethlehem or the Anglicans who run the Hospital in Gaza City as inconvenient road bumps who need to be moved or eliminated in order to assuage the pangs of their continued anti-Semitism. Besides, those the Palestinians are “Arabs” and hence automatically enemies of the “real” Christians. Even those who are bound to them in Christ by Baptism are to be looked upon as lesser because they are not of the “naturally” Christian Anglo-Saxon race. (If you miss the intentional hyperbole to match the nasty condescension of so many conservatives, then you are missing the point.

    Just because we who could be called “liberal” would hold Israel to the same standards of any other Western Democracy doesn’t mean we hate the Jewish state nor do we condone terrorism. We simply recognize that the cycle of violence is a mutual activity. Nation Sates play by rules, what we call “law,” and that is what it is that makes us civilized. When we toss away the rule of law we descend to the same level of the terrorists. Then again, most conservatives probably support the descent into barbarism since it makes it easier to justify it here.

    Conservative Evangelicals have hurt the Church and do Israel no favors with the fawning acceptance of all of its actions as immediately just and proper.

    All of this is even stipulated to by the Israeli government. Guilt over failing to prevent genocide dose not equate to turning a blind eye to the dehumanizing subjugation of the Palestinian people.

    The contempt and hostility to the Christians of Palestine by Israel is a cause of concern, unless you are willing to write them off for the neo-conservative political aims? I would also add that the public, unwavering and fervid equation of Christianity with Israel has hurt the Church in its homeland. If to be a Christian is to unquestioningly support the suppression of the rights of Palestinians and the violent rejection of the rule of law, then Islam is more attractive. Then again, I would think that many of those who so willingly support the destruction of the Church see the Carmelite Nuns in Bethlehem or the Anglicans who run the Hospital in Gaza City as inconvenient road bumps who need to be moved or eliminated in order to assuage the pangs of their continued anti-Semitism. Just because we who could be called “liberal” would hold Israel to the same standards of any other Western Democracy doesn’t mean we hate the Jewish state nor do we condone terrorism. We simply recognize that the cycle of violence is a mutual activity. Nation Sates play by rules, what we call “law,” and that is what it is that makes us civilized. When we toss away the rule of law we descend to the same level of the terrorists. Then again, most conservatives probably support the descent into barbarism since it makes it easier to justify it here. Besides, those the Palestinians are “Arabs” and hence automatically enemies of the “real” Christians. Even those who are bound to them in Christ by Baptism are to be looked upon as lesser because they are not of the “naturally” Christian Anglo-0Saxon race. Since you only want those people in Church who you would let into the Country Club (that is the same thing, right?) why does anything for “Christians” who couldn’t be members of both? (If you miss the intentional hyperbole to match the nasty condescension of so many conservatives, then you are missing the point.)

    Conservative Evangelicals have hurt the Church and do Israel no favors with the fawning acceptance of all of its actions as immediately just and proper.

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  5. I would also note that while you note the "apology," you say nothing about the violent language of the post. I take it you endorse such?

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