Nigeria’s Archbishop interviewed about “homosexualism”

HIS GRACE THE PRIMATE OF ALL NIGERIA (ANGLICAN COMMUNION) THE MOST REV NICHOLAS OKOH

And interview with His Grace The Primate of All Nigeria (Anglican Communion) The Most Rev Nicholas Okoh has appeared on the CoN website. Indications are that the interview was conducted by someone associated with CoN, but that is not made clear. Among urgent topics like corruption in Nigeria, Okoh is asked about homosexuality and the end of the world.

QUESTION: HOMOSEXUALISM WHAT IS YOUR NEW (sic)?

RESPONSE: The fight against homosexual had been on for quite some time and the Anglican church in Nigeria and I must say not only in Nigeria in other places of the world have said no to the homosexual lifestyle, that that type of sexual orientation is unbiblical, ungodly, unnatural, unacceptable.

We have said that over and over again, we discover that those who are set on it think we are ignorant, they think we are living the old past time- ancient days but that this is a post modern day and that they can rewrite the bible to suit their culture the way they want it.

But what we have continued to say is that that sexual relationship is against the society because the society rules through procreation and when we allow a sizeable member of the society to be homosexuals or Lesbians we cannot expect procreation to take place so naturally it is against nature.

It is unfortunate and right now, the other time I visited United Kingdom they were saying that people are free to come to the places where they worship to come and solemnize their homosexual relationship or lesbian relationship in their places of worship.

I am aware that the Church of England says no and so also the Roman Catholic Church.

There are quite a number that says they don’t mind and that the basic thing is that two people love themselves which is a very selfish perspective.

The issue at stake is not just a case of if it will make two people happy if they love themselves. I think that the rejection of absolute truth, absolute right and wrong had turned everything to the doctrine of relativism.

We are in a kind of free moral fall and we do not know when it is going to stop. Let me say this is not an Anglican form, it cuts across denominations. Some have decided to keep quiet because it is very embarrassing they decided to hide it.

The Anglican Church has been quite vocal about it discussing it openly. Those of us in Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and some other parts of the world, some parts of Australia, some part of America, some parts of United Kingdom.

You don’t have a particular place where you will say the whole of this people are homosexuals we just have pockets, in fact this is a kind of focal minority who are trying to turn the table against the majority and right now as I talk to you, the journalists, the lawmakers, in the UK, the politicians, the school authorities, the government, they are all in support. In America, we now have two bishops who are homosexuals and of course Canada supported it.

I can say that this vocal minority has redefined the family in a very radical way. What we used to know is a family made up of a man a woman and Godly raised children. We are now being told that a man and a man can form a family and then they can get a child.

There was even a very amusing one claiming to be a mother and presenting another man who is the husband and they adopted a child from a surrogate mother. All these are happening in our time, and when you dare raise objection they say you are not sufficiently educated, they say you are living in the pre-medieval age, they say you need to be exposed.

But the question we continue to ask is that the gospel came to us and identified areas where we were not living well and the gospel corrected us, the gospel transformed our lives, for instance we were killing twins here and when it was exposed to us that we were wrong, we dropped it.

The irony of the situation now is that the people who brought this are now telling us that such things are right but thank God we are not very confused we are not confused at all.

The scripture has been given to us we will not return it to anybody, we have accepted it and we are implementing it because we have a heavenly agenda.

QUESTION; – WHAT DOES THIS PORTEND? DOES IT MEAN THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR?

RESPONSE: – Well certainly we are getting deeper and deeper into the age that was spoken of by Timothy when people will love themselves more than God, when the pleasure and comfort will determine many things and so we are in the end time and in this end time there are boundless opportunities of evil, but the joy of it all is that evil will not win in the end.

This is God’s own world and according to Daniel 4;17, the Lord rules the affairs of men and the whole book of Revealation is telling us that no matter the strength of evil God has the victory at last.

It’s all here.

The interviewer did not ask for clarification on the problem of “unruly” CANA clergy which Okoh raised last month.

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9 Comments
  1. Nicholas Knisely

    I think the Archbishop gets right to the heart of the matter when he says: “The issue at stake is not just a case of if it will make two people happy if they love themselves. I think that the rejection of absolute truth, absolute right and wrong had turned everything to the doctrine of relativism.”

    The question of whether or not there exists (on this side of the veil) an absolute truth or not is what divides the modern cultures from the pre-modern and the post-modern.

    A Physicist will tell you that there is no absolute in terms of time and space – nor in the quantum regime. And Anglicans moral theologians have always argues that “circumstances alter cases”.

    So, where outside of the Platonic idealized realm, shall we find these absolutes that the Archbishop says we are mistaken to reject?

  2. tobias haller

    Substitute “celibacy” for “homosexuality” and you have the same threat to procreation and society, no?

    Nicholas, I think the Archbishop is absolutely wrong.

  3. Adam Spencer

    “If they love themselves.”

    Has this guy ever met a loving committed gay couple?

    I have. And my two good friends shame many (if not most) of the straight relationships I’ve known with their authentic friendship, joy, love and all-around decency.

    We live in an incarnate world, not some idealized Platonic one. Perhaps some relationship with flesh and blood gay couples in his diocese would do the Archbishop some good.

  4. Jennifer

    “But the question we continue to ask is that the gospel came to us and identified areas where we were not living well and the gospel corrected us, the gospel transformed our lives, for instance we were killing twins here and when it was exposed to us that we were wrong, we dropped it.”

    I believe the Archbishop could substitute “exclusion of LGBT people” for “killing twins” and will also end up at the point “we were wrong”. If any of us presume we already know all there is to know, then we presume to know better than God. Scripture tells us God will continue to reveal to us new truths. The Holy Spirit continues to call us to new paths and the Gospel continues to speak to us in new ways. It is our responsibility to be open to hearing and to being led and transformed.

  5. ¨…when we allow a sizeable member of society…¨ ++Okoh

    Well, suddenly we go from ¨there isn´t even a word for *it* in Nigeria¨ (+Akinola) to being feared if ¨allowed¨ to become ¨sizeable¨ (like a foot fungus spreading to all the other toes)– but, alas, we then drop back into being ++Okho´s ¨vocal minority¨– Bishop Nicolas is quite lucky not hear the total number of really angry/oppressed voices who would blow his straw house of suppression down — truly, the man has no real grasp of the HUMAN REALITY or facts at hand regarding people like me (and some of you too and our families and friends)–he blindly harms, he accross-the-board denigrates, he seems to want cast us out, drop us out, in the name of narrow/selective Scriptural readings and shallow REAL LIFE experience– The Primate of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) apparently has no way to grow away from the obstinance and bull headedness that is often found at the core thinking/beliving of dangerous bigots and selfrighteous abusers of LGBTI people at Church.

    LDS/Mormons have more generosity of spirit than this sad man–Mormons just don´t want us to get married to one another and remain celibate.

    Try living in reality, it just takes some getting used to…doesn´t matter ones IQ and most all of US are teachable. Bishop Okho, a suggestion: Trust God and let fear fall away, start listening (instead of trying to come up with clarity on a subject you know little about) and meanwhile please stop DISPARAGING LGBTI Christians/Anglicans and others at The Body of Christ. Be responsible the ¨sizeable¨ numbers amongst us are Gods children too.

    Lord, hear my prayer

  6. tobias haller

    It also strikes me that Okoh has misplaced the concept of selfishness. Many gay and lesbian Christian couples are able to spend more time and wealth on the church rather than on raising their own flesh and blood. Which is more “selfish” in the long run?

    To return to the theme of celibacy — it was monasticism that preserved much of the world’s most valuable wisdom, and civilized much of the world in dark times. Saying that the biological family is the cornerstone of civilization is simply a falsehood.

  7. tgflux

    All I have to say to the Archbishop, is

    God made some people gay. Get over it!

    JC Fisher

  8. that sexual relationship is against the society because the society rules through procreation and when we allow a sizeable member of the society to be homosexuals or Lesbians we cannot expect procreation to take place so naturally it is against nature.

    It’s amazing how often this insane, primal fear gets expressed; heterosexuals will stop reproducing!

    Hasn’t happened yet, kiddo; not here in the depraved, immoral West, and certainly not in teeming, promiscuous Nigeria.

  9. Jessezink.wordpress.com

    I understand the American church’s interest in the homosexuality question, which is probably why the post and this conversation are focusing on what the Archbishop had to say about that.

    But it’s also worth noting that Nigeria is in the middle of some very important elections that are consuming the country. People are killed, candidates disappear, and so forth. It’s not like anything we’re familiar with in this country.

    I don’t say this to comment on, explain, or excuse anything he said. (And he does spend a good part of the interview discussing homosexuality so he is the one highlighting it.) I just want to note that the context in which he ministers is much different to ours. That always seems to be worth remembering – and worth highlighting – when we discuss these sorts of issues.

    The elections in Nigeria haven’t really penetrated the American news cycle because of all the other news out there. But I was just on the phone with a Nigerian friend the other day and it was clear that the elections were consuming everyone’s attention there.

    Given that, it might be nice if EpiscopalCafe could shine a light where others haven’t yet by providing a bit more context. It might help us understand where the other is coming from.

    Thanks for commenting Jessezink -please sign your name next time ~ed.

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