Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori continues to be the Episcopal Church's best ambassador to the wider culture. Watch her appearance Friday night on Bill Moyers Journal. Or read the transcript.
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I found it an absolute joy to watch her with Bill Moyers.
This interview chronicles an intimate conversation with PB Jefferts Schori and Bill Moyers. It exposes PB Jefferts Schori as a visionary leader whose embrace secures a great respect for Anglican and Episcopal tradition and whose call to Christ waits on a full welcome of all at the table. -Mel Ahlborn
Well that was certainly an interview that worked. Great chemistry between them. The PB didn't pull any punches, she spoke plainly and directly, and with great clarity and with effective examples. A woman at prayer. Bravo.
I don't understand how Jefferts Schori can admit that it is wrong to close the episcopate to LGBTs but do nothing to change that situation. She was the one who cheerleaded the adoption of the infamous B033. B033 not only closed the episcopate to LGBT candidates but it also communicated that LGBTs in the Episcopal are not really members but are given an inferior status. She is going to have to do a lot better if she wants to keep liberals in the Episcopal Church.
I was also uncomfortable as she came close to celebrating the way the northern and southern people coexisted in the Episcopal Church before and after the Civil War. I don't think African Americans would see it as a great achievement that both sides continued to talk to each and that this denomination didn't split--unlike the Presbyterians, Methodists, and Baptists.
BILL MOYERS: Is it fair to ask some aspiring gay or lesbian person who wants to become a Bishop, like Gene Robinson did in 2003, to wait?
BISHOP KATHARINE JEFFERTS SCHORI: Is it fair? No. It's not fair.
BILL MOYERS: But it's necessary?
BISHOP KATHARINE JEFFERTS SCHORI: It's a crucified place to stand.
I also found these statements very troubling. Jesus went to the cross by choice - is KJS saying she is being crucified? Or she and TEC are the crucifying agents?
There is an opportunity, a charism in that position [presiding bishop], that really offers the possibility to cure the whole body, and to try and stand in that crucified place that addresses the whole body.
She asked liberals to forbear for a season (choice) for the good of the whole. She asked for a pause, for some self-sacrifice, for the good of the whole body. One thing is for sure, she's not one for ultimatums.
I think she is saying that we all are pinned between two values --unity and truth-- that are currently in conflict. We don't have it in our power to end this conflict without sacrificing one of these values, so we have to bear with it as gracefully as possible while we work toward a resolution. I think she is aware of the sacrifice that gay and lesbian Christians are being asked to make on others behalf, and that she was uncomfortable with it.
I also think it is just like us lefties to fall into a conversation like this, rather than focus on the fact that the leader of a Christian denomination just gave a nationally televised interview in which she defended the morality of same-sex realtionships. It ain't like that happens all of the time, folks.
I believe that the Episcopal Church is blessed by the leadership of Katherine Jefferts Schori in ways that we do not yet fully understand. She is, for me, a woman of deep faith and abiding love - a holy presence.
KJS told a recent gathering of New York laity that Jesus doesn't want you to worship him, he wants you to follow him.
She has also reduced very old, established Virginia parishes and thriving new parishes to a "few" dissidents. The "few" have amounted to the entire Diocese of Nevada - and still there are more gearing up to be shed of the cosmopolitan, urban-infatuated leadership of the Episcopal Church.
The countless abberations and lawsuit threats of TEC will land its leadership in the same lofty heights as the UCC. Enjoy the fluff and smoke while you can folks. The rest of the Communion is about to dispose of the Episcopal Church.
I found it an absolute joy to watch her with Bill Moyers.
June Butler
Posted by GrandmèreMimi
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June 9, 2007 2:11 PM
This interview chronicles an intimate conversation with PB Jefferts Schori and Bill Moyers. It exposes PB Jefferts Schori as a visionary leader whose embrace secures a great respect for Anglican and Episcopal tradition and whose call to Christ waits on a full welcome of all at the table. -Mel Ahlborn
Posted by MelAhlborn
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June 9, 2007 3:30 PM
Well that was certainly an interview that worked. Great chemistry between them. The PB didn't pull any punches, she spoke plainly and directly, and with great clarity and with effective examples. A woman at prayer. Bravo.
Posted by John B. Chilton
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June 9, 2007 4:10 PM
I don't understand how Jefferts Schori can admit that it is wrong to close the episcopate to LGBTs but do nothing to change that situation. She was the one who cheerleaded the adoption of the infamous B033. B033 not only closed the episcopate to LGBT candidates but it also communicated that LGBTs in the Episcopal are not really members but are given an inferior status. She is going to have to do a lot better if she wants to keep liberals in the Episcopal Church.
I was also uncomfortable as she came close to celebrating the way the northern and southern people coexisted in the Episcopal Church before and after the Civil War. I don't think African Americans would see it as a great achievement that both sides continued to talk to each and that this denomination didn't split--unlike the Presbyterians, Methodists, and Baptists.
BILL MOYERS: Is it fair to ask some aspiring gay or lesbian person who wants to become a Bishop, like Gene Robinson did in 2003, to wait?
BISHOP KATHARINE JEFFERTS SCHORI: Is it fair? No. It's not fair.
BILL MOYERS: But it's necessary?
BISHOP KATHARINE JEFFERTS SCHORI: It's a crucified place to stand.
Gary Dasien
Posted by garydasein
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June 10, 2007 2:38 AM
I also found these statements very troubling. Jesus went to the cross by choice - is KJS saying she is being crucified? Or she and TEC are the crucifying agents?
Posted by Ann Fontaine
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June 10, 2007 11:23 AM
I find Katharine the most evangelistic leader the Episcopal Church has ever had.
Ormonde Plater
Posted by Ormonde Plater
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June 10, 2007 5:25 PM
She's used the phrase "crucified place" in at least other place.
Here, http://www.thewitness.org/article.php?id=1068#JEFFERTS_SCHORI
she said
There is an opportunity, a charism in that position [presiding bishop], that really offers the possibility to cure the whole body, and to try and stand in that crucified place that addresses the whole body.
She asked liberals to forbear for a season (choice) for the good of the whole. She asked for a pause, for some self-sacrifice, for the good of the whole body. One thing is for sure, she's not one for ultimatums.
Posted by John B. Chilton
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June 10, 2007 6:41 PM
I think she is saying that we all are pinned between two values --unity and truth-- that are currently in conflict. We don't have it in our power to end this conflict without sacrificing one of these values, so we have to bear with it as gracefully as possible while we work toward a resolution. I think she is aware of the sacrifice that gay and lesbian Christians are being asked to make on others behalf, and that she was uncomfortable with it.
I also think it is just like us lefties to fall into a conversation like this, rather than focus on the fact that the leader of a Christian denomination just gave a nationally televised interview in which she defended the morality of same-sex realtionships. It ain't like that happens all of the time, folks.
Posted by Jim Naughton
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June 11, 2007 10:10 AM
I believe that the Episcopal Church is blessed by the leadership of Katherine Jefferts Schori in ways that we do not yet fully understand. She is, for me, a woman of deep faith and abiding love - a holy presence.
Helen K. Spence
Posted by Helen
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June 13, 2007 1:07 PM
Unity & Truth?
KJS told a recent gathering of New York laity that Jesus doesn't want you to worship him, he wants you to follow him.
She has also reduced very old, established Virginia parishes and thriving new parishes to a "few" dissidents. The "few" have amounted to the entire Diocese of Nevada - and still there are more gearing up to be shed of the cosmopolitan, urban-infatuated leadership of the Episcopal Church.
The countless abberations and lawsuit threats of TEC will land its leadership in the same lofty heights as the UCC. Enjoy the fluff and smoke while you can folks. The rest of the Communion is about to dispose of the Episcopal Church.
Posted by Doug Desper
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June 19, 2007 1:27 PM