Presbyterians approve gay ordinations but not marriage

In a late night session, the Presbyterian Church USA voted to allow partnered gay and lesbians to be ordained but refused to allow same-sex blessings in their denomination.

The AP reports:

Hours after giving their blessing to ordaining noncelibate gays and lesbians, leaders of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) declined late Thursday to change the church's definition of marriage, in effect refusing to allow same-sex marriages within their denomination.

If the proposal had been approved, the church's definition of marriage would have changed from a commitment between "a woman and a man" to "two people" and allowed church weddings in states that have legalized gay marriage.

The late-night decision to table the proposal and subject it to two more years of study caught many delegates at the denomination's gathering at the Minneapolis Convention Center by surprise, and there was a stunned silence as delegates absorbed the action.

The proposal was to turn aside the church's definition of marriage would have changed from a commitment between "a woman and a man" to "two people" and allowed church weddings in states that have legalized gay marriage. The issue will continue to be studied for the next two years.

The late-night decision to table the proposal and subject it to two more years of study caught many delegates at the denomination's gathering at the Minneapolis Convention Center by surprise, and there was a stunned silence as delegates absorbed the action.

One, Virginia Thibeaux of San Anselmo, Calif., said she was "devastated and disappointed" by the shelving of a decision on whether to change the church's definition of marriage. "It's the M.O. for Presbyterians to do more studying," she said.

Cindy Bolbach, the general assembly's moderator, said the proposal's failure indicated that delegates just weren't ready to make a decision on the marriage definition question, and "want to continue to talk about it."

The next step for the ordination proposal is for it to be approved by the majority of the denomination's 173 local "presbyteries," or district governing bodies, within the next year before it can take effect. Had the marriage measure passed, it, too would have had to be approved by the presbyteries.

Comments (9)

Well, let me be the first to say here that ordination before marriage seems utterly bassackwards.

Of course, this is still good news to a certain extent. But allowing the ordination and not the marriage seems to further entrench the idea that same-sex relationships are 2nd class. It sort of says, "We don't think your relationship is wrong/sinful. But, we still don't think it's an equal relationship." I wouldn't want this, but it seems easier to deal with intellectually the belief that a relationship isn't equal because it IS thought to be sinful.

M'eh...I just think it's wacky. Still, better than nothing though.

Also, isn't TEC sort of at the same point? ELCA too, right?

Yes, it seems strange that you would allow the people who are the spiritual leaders of your churches to be involved in relationships that do not deserve blessing in your services. It definitely feels bass ackwards, but we are definitely in the same boat. I look forward to the day where this is all over. Fortunately for us here in the US, it is getting close. Unfortnately, much of the rest of the world is far behind (although there are also many parts who are far ahead).
Doug Spurlin

Yes, it's pretty much where TEC and ELCA are practically speaking "on the ground." I agree it's backwards -- blessing of unions should have come first. But we had all these gay clergy, some in relationships, some not, and so ordination became the pressing issue. Another example of TEC's "action/reflection" way of doing theology. We "do"it first and then "theologize" about it.
But don't be too sure about PCUSA It would not be the first time local presyteries have rejected progressive national action, thereby making the latter null and void.

They shouldn't be any homosexual clergy period unless they are celibate and those "relationships" aren't equal to a male-female relationship. So they're half right. The only reason I put up with staying in TEC is because I refuse to go to the EOC,RCC, and ANCA and those African "missionary Churches". Basically I'm just holding my nose at all of this like so many others.

I find this story confusing. Your first paragraph refers to "same-sex blessings," but the quoted AP story says "marriage." They are not necessarily the same. So do the Presbyterians allow blessings but not marriages, or what?

Richard, it's too late. You can continue to protest and be upset and hold your nose, but if you don't like it, then make sure and go to a parish employing the kind of priest you need to see at the altar. The rest of us will continue to support LGBT equality within the Church and think nothing of it if our duly qualified candidates have a same-sex partner in a committed relationship.

Hmmm, Mr. Jackson... It's ironic how readily we hold our noses over a mere whiff of the perceived sins of others, and yet so rarely hold them them it comes to the stench of our own sins. After all, our noses are closest to ourselves, so you think they'd pick up on the odor of our own sins first. I wonder what makes our sense of smell so much more sensitive to sins at a distance, and so weak when it comes to the sins right in our face and on our hands?

Gregory Orloff

FTW, Gregory! :-D

JC Fisher

Let's see if I get this straight. The Presbyterian General Synod is saying to gay folks, we'll ordain you but you have to live in sin. God bless the Presbyterians.

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