Question of the day: The Archbishop and the Pope
We understand from mainstream reports that Rowan Williams is to meet with Benedict XVI on Nov. 21st at the Vatican. As has been widely stated, this will be the first such meeting since things got a bit icy a few weeks ago.
What will be the substance of that meeting?
- ... a direct request (wrapped in an indirect tone) to the Pope to take his hand out of the ecclesial cookie jar?
- ... polite, disaffected natter broken by awkward, stony silences?
- ... a request by the Archbishop to the Pope to join him in drafting a joint statement of condemnation over the proposed legalization of draconian treatment of homosexuals in Uganda, and enjoining the local church to do the same?
- ... agreeably safe matters such as China and climate change?
- ... Rahner, Pannenberg, Moltmann, von Harnack, Bonhoeffer, or any other German theologians?
- ... something else altogether?

If he talks about Uganda, then he needs to talk about the proposed census of glbt folk in Kenya, purportedly to do AIDs education, but it is also illegal to be gay in Kenya and the equally draconian laws in Nigeria.
Of course, he could talk about such joint statements with the Anglican Primates of those countries, but probably won't.
Posted by Michael Russell
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November 1, 2009 9:42 AM
I would think the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, ought call another EMERGENCY Meeting of his Primates cluster...afterall, there is a serious EMERGENCY pending in Uganda, Kenya, Nigeria and it´s about time that the Primates, who some wish to be ¨punishers¨ (part four/Anglican Covenant), put their INTENTIONS FORWARD for us ALL to see (all means all including LGBT Episcopalians/Anglicans, Our Families, Our Friends and Our trusted Spiritual Advisors).
Thank you, this HUMAN LIVES are far more pressing than another ¨get together¨ with a Pope that lives in denial regarding the sexual ¨being¨ of his very OWN clergy (including Bishops and Cardinals)...no more playing games of PRETEND when real, and innocent, lives are at stake.
Posted by Leonardo Ricardo
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November 1, 2009 12:47 PM
I predict that the Archbishop of Canterbury will not bring up any subject that will ruffle the feathers of the pope.
June Butler
Posted by GrandmèreMimi
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November 1, 2009 2:43 PM
I won't comment on what I expect of the pope, but I expect Rowan Williams independently of the pope to speak out against the legislation in Uganda persecuting homosexuals and supported by the Anglican leadership in Uganda.
And there's this:
http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/26217/#398439
"Fr Mark wrote:
... uumm, clergy from Uganda were assisting? Is that the same Uganda where the Anglican Church leadership is enthusiastically supporting a bill to bring in the death penalty/ life imprisonment for gay people, to a world-wide chorus of dismay from believers in decency and universal human rights? So these would be the right people to be in communion with, then, would they, despite the Anglican Church of Uganda breaking pretty much all Anglican Communion resolutions about respecting the dignity of gay people?"
Fr. Mark is commenting on the story that ACNA has another bishop. One wonders whether Duncan used the opportunity to have a word with the Ugandans chiding them on their support for the measure. Nah. ACNA claims its legitimacy through the Ugandans. And Nigerians et al.
http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2009/10/31/religion/dpt-ordination110109.art.txt
QUOTE
Anglican clergymen from as far away as Uganda and Newfoundland visited Newport Beach on Saturday to ordain a new bishop in the fledgling Anglican Church of North America.
“This is an important, historical day for the whole church,” said Archbishop Robert Duncan of the Anglican Church of North America, who presided over the incense-drenched ceremony at St. Andrew’s Presbyterian Church on Saturday.
/UNQUOTE
Posted by John B. Chilton
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November 1, 2009 2:59 PM
Public Service Announcement: Thinking Anglicans has a new roundup on developments on Uganda. See also in the comments there about Kenya.
http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/004043.html
Posted by John B. Chilton
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November 1, 2009 3:04 PM
If the ABC had an ounce of intestinal fortitude he would cancel the meeting with Ratzinger, ask the government to cancel Ratzingers upcoming state visit to England and suspend ecumenical talks with the Roman denomination.
That they might understand.
Then perhaps a few strongly worded letters to his fellow bishops in Africa who insist on supporting their governments' bigotry toward gay people.
Then a nice, strong, gratifying cuppa tea and a scone or two lest he faint from taking a moral stand.
Posted by Paul Woodrum
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November 1, 2009 3:10 PM
Lotsa luck getting Cantuar to speak out on any human rights issue: he can't even get his committees to uphold the decision of the majority in his synod and he keeps begging for exemptions from non-discrimination laws. His published works are one of the worst cases of political fraud around, especially since he has been told he would be ABC since grammar school.
Posted by F.Harry Stowe
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November 1, 2009 3:30 PM
I am afraid June nailed it. Dr. Chamberline err oops, Williams, will appease and say nothing much. Uganda wont come up, TAC wont come up but they will agree that in future if B16 is planning to slap at Anglicans he will give Dr. Williams a few more days notice. ;;sigh;;
FWIW
jimB
Posted by jimB
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November 1, 2009 3:53 PM
I completely agree with Paul Woodrum...somebody please foreward this to Canterbury!
Posted by Peter Pearson
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November 1, 2009 5:26 PM
I think we all know what is going to happen--polite nothingness. However, if I were ABC here is what I would like to say: "Your Holliness, thank you for your interest in the Anglican Communion. As you know that is my bailiwick. I would not dream of intefering in the Roman Catholic church and I expect the same courtesy in return. Anglicans have always been free to adhere to Rome and vice versa. Beyond that, let's agree to respect each other's organizational integrity. Now, what would you like to talk about today?"
Ron Caldwell
Posted by Alabamian
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November 2, 2009 9:06 AM
Where does Cantuar take stands? In spheres outside his influence -- climate change, the Iraq war (after UK has withdrawn).
Good luck: You're right. We're venting. Is there any way to hold his feet to the fire and take a real moral stand on anything that might alienate African Anglicans, where the vast number of majority Anglicans can be found.
Posted by John B. Chilton
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November 2, 2009 12:53 PM