Lord have mercy.
Christ have mercy.
Lord have mercy.

God bless the Episcopal Church . . . and the (apparent) minority of faithful Episcopalians in the Diocese of South Carolina!

JC Fisher

Bishop Lawrence is one of the few clergy in the Episcopal Church today with enough fortitude to stand up to the revisionist elites. He deserves our support.

This seems to put to rest any doubts that anyone on a standing committee had about confirming the good bishop in regards to his intention to steal the diocese, doesn’t it?

Yet I’m sure that many will cry loudly about tolerance and keeping the communion together at all costs, in effect, overlooking this blatant aggression in the name of “unity”.

A sad day indeed. May God have mercy on the faithful Episcopalians and lead them to a new birth and may he guide those who are preparing to leave to leave to act as true Christians, taking nothing but the cloaks on their backs as they go out into the world to spread their version of the “good” news.

Love the photo!

The Diocese of SC has said that they are not intent on leaving, as Pgh and San Joaquin and Fort Worth have. They are protesting certain action and changes by the National Church which are certainly reasonable within the perspective of the worldwide communion and the our own Constitution, even if I don't agree with all that they say or do.

KJS has not responded to Lawrence, has not--in any diocese--worked for peaceful solutions or ways forward, and must rethink IMHO the power she has been entrusted with and how to use it. WM Paul

In other words, Lawrence lied when he assured the House of Bishops that he had no intention of leaving TEC and taking SC with him. IMO the HOB should convene and deconsecrate Lawrence. Or whatever it is called. He has violated his oaths as Bishop and priest.

I think it is fascinating that SC Diocesan leadership is fighting so hard to protect themselves from being dictated to by the TEC monster, primarily because TEC is unwilling to (continue to)be dictated to by the wider Anglican Communion.

Most of my friends in the D of SC want to leave TEC ASAP. I would be included in that group. However do not be concerned. The TEC flag is still, to the best of my knowledge, in every church of this diocese including my own. It is through what we did at this convention with Bishop Lawrence which will keep it there.

A piece of cloth does not equal "conforming to the Constitution and Canons of the Episcopal Church", me.yahoo.

Your ?bishop's time to REPENT, and conform to the C&C, is just about up (and thereafter, "Depart TEC property out the red doors").

My advice, FWIW: don't tie your fate to his!

Rather, look to Christ---to Whom we should ALL endeavor to conform!

JC Fisher

JC ,

Tell my why we should obey the constitution and canons of TEC when its leader does not believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation? Give me a good answer to that question, and that question only, and I will reconsider my position.

Don Allen

"its leader"

????

The only TRUE "leader" of TEC is Jesus Christ, Don.

...but I assume you're speaking of the Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori. As "Presiding Bishop and Primate", she has certain representative and executive functions, under the C&C, and w/ the consent of the Executive Council and House of Bishops (all legally under General Convention).

You're REALLY going to place obedience to the C&C of our Episcopal Church solely upon some remarks of KJS, in response to a question by the secular press? Really?

{pause}

I'm struggling in response to you, Don. Whether to try to Cor ad Cor Loquitur (which is so bloody difficult!) . . . or just (snippily) give you a piece of my mind (which is too, too, easy).

But in attempting a "heart speaks to heart", I know that, sinful me, MY heart is FAR too small for such purposes.

The only heart that REALLY matters here, Don---besides yours (and mine), precious in the Eyes of God---is the Sacred Heart: the loving heart and WILL of Christ Jesus.

The Will of Christ is to SAVE: of this I have complete faith. So nevermind KJS: do *I* believe that this Will of Jesus Christ to SAVE can be thwarted---merely by not holding to the proposition that "Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation"?

No. I do not believe the Salvific Will of Jesus Christ (the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) can be thwarted so easily (or definitively). I believe Jesus's Will to Save is INFINITELY more powerful than the mind of foolish humans, coming up w/ our silly intellectual constructs!

JESUS SAVES.

Jesus saved from before "the Beginning" in his Father's Creation, through the calling of Israel, in his Incarnation, Birth, Baptism, Ministry, Gift of the Eucharist, Death on the Cross, and Resurrection. Jesus saves through the Holy Spirit working in and through the Church (Word, Water, Body-Blood-Soul&Divinity). Jesus will save at the Eskaton, "when he comes".

JESUS saves. Not the idea(s) about Jesus---certainly not the ideas about Jesus of sinners like you, me or KJS!

[And if "ideas about Jesus" don't save, even less do ideas like "Jesus can't save if you don't hold the proper ideas about Jesus"!]

I was in-formed about the Saving Jesus by the Episcopal Church. And the Episcopal Church's Constitution&Canons---reformed and always reforming!---have, I believe, worked to make it a Church that preaches/teaches/FEEDS upon Jesus.

I'd love it if you would remain with us, Don---and moreso, commit to giving the Church the "hard love" it always needs, to become more conformed to Christ.

Presiding Bishops come and go (FWIW, I think our current PB has grown into her position very well---but God ain't done w/ her yet!). CHRIST is THE Constant. The Fixed Star. The Life-giving Cross.

Won't you stay and help TEC grow more into Christ?

JC Fisher

(Psst! In so doing, your brother&sister Episcopalians just MIGHT help you grow further into Christ, too! They've even managed to help me---and that taken lots of their best efforts! ;-p)

For all meaningful intents and purposes the Diocese of SC has separated from the Episcopal Church, even in name.(I challenge anyone to find the word "Episcopal" on the diocesan website.) The third convention within 12 months has passed the same old resolutions in different words: nullification of national church law and local sovereignty. While tweaking the nose of the PB, Bishop Lawrence has portrayed himself as the innocent victim of the heavyhanded bully of the north. (Does all this sound familiar for SC? It should.) Most of the diocese has rallied around him. One should expect the formal vote on secession to come next March. As at Ft. Sumter, the nationalists intend to take the Episcopal Church flags home and reinstall them when the buildings are returned to the loyal Episcopalians. While the majority of people in the diocese will join some "Anglican" entity, the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina will continue and that grand church flag will wave on in the Lowcountry. As with Ft. Sumter, the right side will eventually prevail. The solid "fort" of the Episcopal church in SC cannot be wiped away by her enemies. Ron Caldwell