TEC bishops compared unfavorably to Borgia popes

Chris Sugden paraphrasing Os Guinness:

Guinness stated that inclusivity is indifference to truth which is profoundly dangerous. He referred to a conversation with a Roman Catholic cardinal who noted that while the Borgia popes, one of whom fathered children with his own daughter, never denied a single issue of the creed, the Episcopal leaders in The Episcopal Church deny much of the creed and remain in post.

Guinness is a former Episcopalian, a member of Truro Church CANA, and a self-styled moderate evangelical.

"Rodrigo Borgia was Pope from 1492 to 1503. He is one of the most controversial of the Renaissance popes, and his surname (Italianized as Borgia) became a byword for the debased standards of the Papacy of that era; the Borgia popes greatly weakened the moral authority of the Catholic Church." - Wikipedia.

Posted by John B. Chilton on October 21, 2010 7:18 AM | |
Comments (6)

A typically "Machiavellian" disregard for the truth in my opinion.

Posted by MadPriest [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 8:30 AM

Oh, come now! Disagree with members of TEC's House of Bishops if you must, but I know of no active bishop who "crosses his/her fingers when they say the Creed." Without any exception known to me we are committed to "the Nicene Creed as the sufficient statement of the Christian Faith." (Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral)

Posted by Chris Epting [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 9:32 AM

I suspect Guinness has been drinking to much of that lovely stout and is confusing girlz, gayz and creeds.

Posted by Paul Woodrum [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 9:55 AM

This ongoing calumny about the Creed leveled against our Bishops and TEC in general continues to be despicable. Coming from a member of a parish that is a fictionally part of the Province of Nigeria, where glbt people are vilified and threatened with prison it becomes the worst sort of doublespeak.

He and his Bishop are and will continue to be accessories to violence against gays.

Posted by Michael Russell [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 1:41 PM

Loose with the truth where the Borgias are concerned, as well. Callixtus III (d 1458) seems to have led a relatively blameless, if dull life (FWIW he rehabilitated Joan of Arc). Alexander VI, who refused to persecute Rome's Jews, most certainly did not father children by his daughter, and one of his grandchildren, a Jesuit Superior General, was canonized as St Francis Borgia. Church history's not real big at Truro, I guess. Or maybe it's not real big with ex-members of General Synod.

Posted by Roger Mortimer [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 5:03 PM

The most dangerous person in the world is of course the one who (thinks he) knows the truth. Like the folks in Uganda, he is ready to kill you in the name of (his version of) the truth. What happened to Christian humility? One thinks of Paul, who had the humility to say that here we see through a dark glass, that only in God's kingdom will we see clearly.

Posted by John N Wall [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 21, 2010 5:23 PM

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